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MagicalHobo · Apr 14, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Martin and I have been speaking to Gaile extensively today about these two incidents. Unfortunately, we don't have the functionality to let people rename their guilds, which would be the ideal situation.

Alright, understood. Thank you Regina. Glad to hear Gaile is aware of it.

Fril Estelin · Apr 14, 2009, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

That tag is impossible because it's blocked by the filter. The thing is, Shat doesn't make inappropriate references to bodily functions. Maybe if the name was like "We Did This In Your Shoes {Shat}" or something, sure, but it's clearly just the initials of the guild name, and relatively harmless in the long run. [vibe] is more offensive than this, seriously. I mean hell, I could technically report your guild name for referencing illegal activities, Cheating isn't legal, but you're about as much referencing it as Shat was referencing shitting.

I'm with you on that but you can't guess the intention of the guy who created the guildname/tag. He may have created the name so that he obtains the tag and attempts to bypass the rules. I'm not trying to say anything about Shat, which I've seen fighting in mATs, but well who knows?

Words are weapons sometimes.

Empress Amarox · Apr 14, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Well, I for one am actually pretty happy with how good NCSoft Support is about actually enforcing Anet's ridiculous naming policies. Dunno about the policies themselves, but at least they're enforcing them.

Lonesamurai · Apr 14, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

Well, I for one am actually pretty happy with how good NCSoft Support is about actually enforcing Anet's ridiculous naming policies. Dunno about the policies themselves, but at least they're enforcing them.

So afterall this you DON'T KNOW the POLICIES your testing and messing with?

Empress Amarox · Apr 14, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

So afterall this you DON'T KNOW the POLICIES your testing and messing with?

Um.. By "dunno about them" I didn't mean I don't know what they are, I mean that I don't know that I particularly agree with them -- and I already said I wasn't testing anything. The name was inappropriate according to the rules, and I reported it, it was censored, end of story, hmm?

P.S.

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The guild Rebel Rising was reviewed and censored due to its inappropriate nature. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM Ryan

..kidding

kedde · Apr 14, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

So will Anet actually work on the banning procedure or do you intend to receive more and more complaints and handle them seperately?

Empress Amarox · Apr 14, 2009, 11:13 PM // 23:13

If they're actually banning as per policy, it isn't the procedure, it's the policies. The support team's just doing their job, it's not their fault Anet's rules are unrealistic to normal every day human standards.

Regina Buenaobra · Apr 14, 2009, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Sorry to be the one to bring this up, but how is it possible to change a Tag for a guild and not the guilds full name?

Are they separate items of code and one can be changed and one can't?

We don't change the tag, it's automatically changed to "Ban" after a marked guild has become unmarked. So, the system wasn't designed for people to be able to change guild names and tags at will.

I'm not a technical person, but we were told the guild name and the tag are separate things.

Being able to change guild names is certainly something people have suggested, and we've again suggested it to them today in light of the recent events.

refer · Apr 14, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

You know what, everything will offend somebody. With the SuKa logic why not just take away names of Guilds and make them all numbers? Oh wait, numbers would be "offensive too". Hell, everybody can just say they're in a guild, that has no name. Player names to soon follow.

Kaon · Apr 14, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Getting Shat's tag changed to ban is actually my fault, as I used that guild as an example of why SuKa should not be banned. Apparantly Anet has been living under a rock for 2 years so they didn't know Shat existed.

To literally quote myself this what I said on the SHAT matter in my first e-mail:

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Also for many years there was the very famous guild "Seppo Hovi Action Team [SHAT]" which also hasn't been banned.*
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*P.S. In the case that you have been living under a rock for the past 3 years and haven't noticed this guildname yet: I do not wish to report it, the very last thing i want is to see this guild banned. It would be an insult every competitive player in guild wars. Then again, you have already insulted us twice within two weeks, why not make it three?

Also funny is how it is clear that it was a support mistake we still haven't received an apologee for all the mess caused. They persist that our tag was offensive, I quote:

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However, the tag will now read [ban] due to the inappropriate tag name. I'm not sure if you were aware, but "suka" means "bitch" in Russian.

Pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded if you consider there are NPCs named after foreign swearwords. Hell in real life there are even people named after swear words. How many people among you are called Dick, Willy and Johnson? Of course I pointed this out but they completely ignored me being the nazi bastards as they are.

Oh and I did report massive, I'm eagerly awaiting response.

Oh and regina if you're actually reading this topic. Please speak with support on their banning policy. The fact that 1 person can report and get a guild banned is thoroughly ridiculous. A guild consists of dozens of players and effects hundreds more through their actions, ESPECIALLY gvg guilds. Personally I wouldn't ban a guild untill I had at least 50 or 100 reports of being offended. If this means no guild will ever be banned then so be it. Apparantly people don't care about offensive guild names that much.

Even if you get banned and send in support tickets you still get treated like crap. When we got banned the first time, we received a message that it wasn't even possible to become unbanned. This lie alone is enough to shatter all my faith in guild wars support. Also we have yet to receive an apologee from the support team, but if they'd do it now i'd tell them to shove it anyways, as it's clear they don't mean it.

Part of me is highly amused by the similarities between any terror regime of the 20th century and the Anet banning policy. No matter what you do, all someone needs to do is report you to the secret service and they will lock you up/execute you/ban you from the country/ ban you from the game. Laws are enforced not by justice or by the peoples will but by the terror caused by the secret service / admins. Just as in Stalins regime, Hitlers regime, or in eastern germany, all I need to do to get someone banned is report him and there's a 90% certainty he gets banned, regardless of the evidence.

Your system is not based upon laws or rules, but based upon the maliciousness and spitefulness players have against each other. Quite ironic if you consider we're playing this game for fun.

Oh, and we're not an exception. I know at least 6 other equally ridiculous examples of bans, next to the fact that the GM himself told me that we "weren't singled out." How comforting...

Lonesamurai · Apr 14, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

We don't change the tag, it's automatically changed to "Ban" after a marked guild has become unmarked. So, the system wasn't designed for people to be able to change guild names and tags at will.

I'm not a technical person, but we were told the guild name and the tag are separate things.

Being able to change guild names is certainly something people have suggested, and we've again suggested it to them today in light of the recent events.

As usual, thanks for the quick reply Regina

Kaon · Apr 14, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Oh, for anyone that's interested, here's a picture of Massive's post on QQ. I suspected he was going to delete it so i screenshotted it right away. Not everyone on this planet is as dumb as he is.

MrTickle · Apr 14, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by refer

You know what, everything will offend somebody. With the SuKa logic why not just take away names of Guilds and make them all numbers? Oh wait, numbers would be "offensive too".....

OMG!!!!! he's in a guild called 80085 "BOOBS" let meh chek teh wiki how 2 banz

Wolf2581 · Apr 15, 2009, 12:01 AM // 00:01

This is just yet another case of the failure to recognize that context must supercede semantics in determining what is obscene, offensive, or otherwise undesirable. These words and acronyms by themselves are no better or worse than any others, in any language.

Aside from all that, the worst thing for ArenaNet or any other organization to do is to pander to the immaturity, ultrasensitivity, and general idiocy of a few random people. For ArenaNet to no longer portray themselves as puppets of the minority, they need to determine and implement broad regulations based on their own standards, clean up their mess, and simply damn what anyone else thinks. Of course, that is unless they view hypocrisy as an important part of their business model.

Chthon · Apr 15, 2009, 02:16 AM // 02:16

This looks like another example of why offensive name review needs to be done with high quality, or not at all.

It should also hold a lesson for a-net: There's usually a story behind an offensive name report that has nothing to do with being offended by the name.

refer · Apr 15, 2009, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by MrTickle

OMG!!!!! he's in a guild called 80085 "BOOBS" let meh chek teh wiki how 2 banz

I was actually thinking of 133769...

kedde · Apr 15, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

If they're actually banning as per policy, it isn't the procedure, it's the policies. The support team's just doing their job, it's not their fault Anet's rules are unrealistic to normal every day human standards.

It is in fact the procedure that needs looking at since it's the procedure of actually banning people/guilds that requires only one person to single out a target.

If that's the case, it needs looking at, and this has been shown to be evident.

Stop The Storm · Apr 15, 2009, 06:32 AM // 06:32

1 word.

Inconsistency.

Lensor · Apr 15, 2009, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Martin and I have been speaking to Gaile extensively today about these two incidents. Unfortunately, we don't have the functionality to let people rename their guilds, which would be the ideal situation.

Thank you for looking in to this mess. However, I hope you can recognize that the "ideal situation" would not be to let people rename their guilds, it would be to stop instabanning anything mildly "offensive" based on single reports. GW is rated Teen. Treat it as such.

keast kannegaard · Apr 15, 2009, 09:44 AM // 09:44

So ANet just banning guilds and ppl if just one person make a report on them... That can be usefull... i might even have a chance to win a MAT now

Just report any guild that might have a chance to play the MAT, 10 days before the MAT, and ofc ban 1-2 ppl from the guild, as Kaon pointed out they can still play GvG, so they for sure cant play in the MAT

Sad thing is it might even work...